Sedat Canbaz
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Breaking News (31.08.2024):
1st Stage (2006-2017) is ended..congrats and many thanks to all participants!
Btw the Tie Break match is completed too..where Attacker is managed to win!
2nd DON 15/16 3rd Perfect 16, 4th Experimental book..in other words nice..!
But anyhow, this is just a fun championship...so please do not take too much
Seriously the played results, besides all of them are based books, which are
Created by Me.. but as usual: I have done my best about all of them to prefer
Theirs played openings.. that's why and I wish to say: if there is any weak or
Bad etc. line..Please note that I am NOT responsible for all these weakness!
And this is not a Top secret and I'll try to explain how Perfect 16 bin is created:
In short, Perfect 16 book is tuned to prefer my Playchess 2008/2009's games
About rest / others: in same way is created/used their data (played in SCCT)
On other hand, this is also true that I may share facts/results, where my based
Ones ere not weaker...even some are performed stronger than original ones!!
Anyhow, I hope also that you like my books, efforts, news, tournaments etc.?)
If nothing else... my work does not look to others, right? feel the difference...!
Meanwhile, I have good news: I already started 2nd Stage (2018-2022) too !!
1st Stage (2006 - 2017)'s Champion: Attacker - Congrats to Adriean
Costinescu!
For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-35
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/GwRBCLDL#E6eZrrXph ... s5BB9HHOmM
Best,
Sedat
1st Stage (2006-2017) is ended..congrats and many thanks to all participants!
Btw the Tie Break match is completed too..where Attacker is managed to win!
2nd DON 15/16 3rd Perfect 16, 4th Experimental book..in other words nice..!
But anyhow, this is just a fun championship...so please do not take too much
Seriously the played results, besides all of them are based books, which are
Created by Me.. but as usual: I have done my best about all of them to prefer
Theirs played openings.. that's why and I wish to say: if there is any weak or
Bad etc. line..Please note that I am NOT responsible for all these weakness!
And this is not a Top secret and I'll try to explain how Perfect 16 bin is created:
In short, Perfect 16 book is tuned to prefer my Playchess 2008/2009's games
About rest / others: in same way is created/used their data (played in SCCT)
On other hand, this is also true that I may share facts/results, where my based
Ones ere not weaker...even some are performed stronger than original ones!!
Anyhow, I hope also that you like my books, efforts, news, tournaments etc.?)
If nothing else... my work does not look to others, right? feel the difference...!
Meanwhile, I have good news: I already started 2nd Stage (2018-2022) too !!
1st Stage (2006 - 2017)'s Champion: Attacker - Congrats to Adriean
Costinescu!
For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-35
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/GwRBCLDL#E6eZrrXph ... s5BB9HHOmM
Best,
Sedat
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Breaking News (31.08.2024):
Well, here is 2nd Stage (2018-2022)'s 1st results..and to be more clear some
Book names are shorten... for examples: 21/22 = based on 2021-2022 games
As other example: 18/20 means based on between the period 2018-2020 etc.
As in previous..due to not enough games (per book) some vers merged in one
On other hand, the tour is just in beginning so it's early for any conclusions...
Btw, each former Champion minimum 1000 games (per player) will be played..
Be aware of that I hope to create other Number One/s of Playchess too Results
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... chess-2021
But before I have to check my database archives..if games are missing..sorry..
Wishing best of luck to all Champs/Number Ones and let's the best book wins!
Actually even to be as last rank, it's not shame.. most important.is to have fun
Besides, all of current players proved (over long past years) to be one of best!
Moreover, some of the opening lines are old-dated some newer...etc and etc )
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: DON - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!
For More Details about Number One CS (2018-2022):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2
Best,
Sedat
Well, here is 2nd Stage (2018-2022)'s 1st results..and to be more clear some
Book names are shorten... for examples: 21/22 = based on 2021-2022 games
As other example: 18/20 means based on between the period 2018-2020 etc.
As in previous..due to not enough games (per book) some vers merged in one
On other hand, the tour is just in beginning so it's early for any conclusions...
Btw, each former Champion minimum 1000 games (per player) will be played..
Be aware of that I hope to create other Number One/s of Playchess too Results
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... chess-2021
But before I have to check my database archives..if games are missing..sorry..
Wishing best of luck to all Champs/Number Ones and let's the best book wins!
Actually even to be as last rank, it's not shame.. most important.is to have fun
Besides, all of current players proved (over long past years) to be one of best!
Moreover, some of the opening lines are old-dated some newer...etc and etc )
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: DON - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!
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Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 DON 21/22 3791 18 21 84 54% 3766 92%
2 Noname 2020 3788 19 21 82 54% 3767 90%
3 Biyuya 2022 3786 19 22 82 53% 3767 84%
4 Chucaro 21/22 3786 19 21 84 53% 3767 89%
5 Alchemist 19/21 3786 19 22 82 53% 3767 82%
6 1337chess 20/22 3785 19 21 82 53% 3767 94%
7 FireOnBoard 2022 3783 20 21 82 52% 3768 88%
8 Katzenmaier 2021 3782 20 21 84 52% 3768 86%
9 LSA 21/22 3779 20 22 82 52% 3767 87%
10 CF1977 2020 3776 20 21 82 51% 3768 93%
11 M11.4 2021 3775 20 21 82 51% 3767 90%
12 2600-Club 20/21 3771 21 21 82 51% 3767 84%
13 CF1977 18/19 3770 21 21 84 51% 3766 87%
14 Luna 2020 3769 21 21 84 50% 3769 83%
15 Vitamin 18/19 3768 21 21 84 50% 3768 93%
16 MANTIS 21/22 3765 21 21 84 49% 3769 92%
17 ArmoR 18/20 3764 21 21 82 49% 3768 89%
18 Attacker 18/20 3764 21 21 82 49% 3768 94%
19 Cevdet 18/20 3763 21 21 84 49% 3767 89%
20 Vitamin 2020 3761 22 21 82 49% 3769 85%
21 Echidna 2019 3761 22 21 82 49% 3769 83%
22 Cerebellum 2020 3757 22 20 82 48% 3769 87%
23 Zeus 2020 3757 22 20 82 48% 3768 89%
24 Cevdet 21/22 3754 22 20 82 48% 3769 85%
25 Goi 18/22 3751 21 19 84 47% 3769 89%
26 Everest 2020 3750 21 19 84 47% 3768 92%
27 DON 19/20 3747 21 19 82 46% 3769 83%
28 Cerebellum 18/19 3746 21 19 84 46% 3768 83%
29 GoldenHorn 18/19 3735 20 17 82 44% 3769 85%
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2
Best,
Sedat
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Breaking News (31.08.2024):
Via this update: no comments, exception I'm not from Biyuya's Book Team!)
E.g all of the current Top 3 books are belonging to Messi (Mr Angel Morano)
We will see what will be final results..but there is one true: all these Masters,
From the Past to the Present are on Arena again, fighting as real Gladiators!!
In other words, they are newly reborn..and for all of you dear chess friends )
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: Biyuya - Congratulations to Angel Morano!
Note: Biyuya 2022 is my work (as all others) tuned to prefer their original openings
Via this update: no comments, exception I'm not from Biyuya's Book Team!)
E.g all of the current Top 3 books are belonging to Messi (Mr Angel Morano)
We will see what will be final results..but there is one true: all these Masters,
From the Past to the Present are on Arena again, fighting as real Gladiators!!
In other words, they are newly reborn..and for all of you dear chess friends )
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: Biyuya - Congratulations to Angel Morano!
Note: Biyuya 2022 is my work (as all others) tuned to prefer their original openings
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Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 Biyuya 2022 3782 7 7 770 54% 3759 84%
2 Alchemist 19/21 3778 7 8 772 53% 3759 84%
3 Chucaro 21/22 3776 7 8 772 53% 3759 87%
4 LSA 21/22 3774 8 8 768 52% 3759 84%
5 Katzenmaier 2021 3772 8 8 770 52% 3759 87%
6 DON 21/22 3770 8 8 772 52% 3759 91%
7 1337chess 20/22 3767 8 8 770 51% 3760 89%
8 Zeus 2020 3767 8 8 770 51% 3760 88%
9 FireOnBoard 2022 3766 8 8 770 51% 3760 86%
10 Noname 2020 3765 8 8 770 51% 3760 89%
11 CF1977 2020 3763 8 8 770 51% 3760 90%
12 2600-Club 20/21 3763 8 8 770 50% 3760 92%
13 MANTIS 21/22 3761 8 8 768 50% 3760 88%
14 Vitamin 18/19 3761 8 8 770 50% 3760 90%
15 M11.4 2021 3761 8 8 768 50% 3760 89%
16 CF1977 18/19 3760 8 8 772 50% 3760 88%
17 Cevdet 21/22 3759 8 8 770 50% 3760 89%
18 Echidna 2019 3756 8 8 770 49% 3760 88%
19 DON 19/20 3755 8 8 770 49% 3760 88%
20 Cerebellum 2020 3754 8 8 770 49% 3760 89%
21 Luna 2020 3752 8 8 768 49% 3760 87%
22 Goi 18/22 3752 8 8 770 49% 3760 88%
23 Cevdet 18/20 3750 8 8 772 49% 3760 88%
24 Everest 2020 3750 8 8 770 48% 3760 89%
25 Attacker 18/20 3750 8 8 772 48% 3760 87%
26 Vitamin 2020 3746 8 7 770 48% 3760 86%
27 ArmoR 18/20 3744 8 7 770 48% 3760 85%
28 Cerebellum 18/19 3741 8 7 772 47% 3761 86%
29 GoldenHorn 18/19 3739 8 7 770 47% 3761 84%
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Breaking News (01.09.2024):
Via this update, we've a newer book entrant: T-800 (a Playchess Top player)
Sure it all depends but Online Play is totally different than on same PC Play..
E.g in the past, when I was a frequent Playchess's player, I was with 70% win.
Perc, but on same PC (with close in date strength books) was about 56% win..
Sure with much weaker opponents these win. perc. values can be even higher
In other words, via Online..to get very high-points is easier job for sure, right ?)
Besides to be best on Online exc. very strong book, a fast hardware required...
On other hand, as before, Mr. Angel 's 3 books are still leading..unbelievable!!
What I can say more, the picture is so clear where once more we noticed that
Success is no accident at all...and to be one of the Number Ones is required
Enormous efforts...yes, I create these Champ based ones in short time, about
In 10 min. but no doubt that the original ones are created in much longer time,
Yes many non-book authors will have difficulties to see about what's going on..
But as book maker + tester I tried to make the things more clear.. hope helps!
Note also that current stage is still active and very soon more Number Ones
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: Biyuya - Congrats to Angel Morano!
Via this update, we've a newer book entrant: T-800 (a Playchess Top player)
Sure it all depends but Online Play is totally different than on same PC Play..
E.g in the past, when I was a frequent Playchess's player, I was with 70% win.
Perc, but on same PC (with close in date strength books) was about 56% win..
Sure with much weaker opponents these win. perc. values can be even higher
In other words, via Online..to get very high-points is easier job for sure, right ?)
Besides to be best on Online exc. very strong book, a fast hardware required...
On other hand, as before, Mr. Angel 's 3 books are still leading..unbelievable!!
What I can say more, the picture is so clear where once more we noticed that
Success is no accident at all...and to be one of the Number Ones is required
Enormous efforts...yes, I create these Champ based ones in short time, about
In 10 min. but no doubt that the original ones are created in much longer time,
Yes many non-book authors will have difficulties to see about what's going on..
But as book maker + tester I tried to make the things more clear.. hope helps!
Note also that current stage is still active and very soon more Number Ones
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Current Leader: Biyuya - Congrats to Angel Morano!
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Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 Biyuya 2022 3782 6 6 1044 54% 3757 84%
2 Alchemist 19/21 3776 6 7 1044 53% 3758 85%
3 Chucaro 21/22 3775 6 7 1044 53% 3758 88%
4 Feta + LSA 21/22 3772 6 7 1044 52% 3758 84%
5 Katzenmaier 2021 3771 6 7 1044 52% 3758 87%
6 1337chess 20/22 3766 7 7 1044 51% 3758 89%
7 FireOnBoard 2022 3766 7 7 1044 51% 3758 86%
8 DON 21/22 3764 7 7 1044 51% 3758 92%
9 Zeus 2020 3763 7 7 1044 51% 3758 89%
10 T-800 20/21 3761 7 7 1044 50% 3758 89%
11 M11.4 2021 3761 7 7 1044 50% 3758 89%
12 Noname 2020 3760 7 7 1044 50% 3758 89%
13 CF1977 2020 3760 7 7 1044 50% 3758 88%
14 Cevdet 21/22 3759 7 7 1044 50% 3758 89%
15 2600-Club 20/21 3758 7 7 1044 50% 3758 92%
16 MANTIS 21/22 3757 7 7 1044 50% 3758 89%
17 CF1977 18/19 3755 7 7 1044 50% 3758 88%
18 Vitamin 18/19 3755 7 7 1044 49% 3758 90%
19 Cerebellum 2020 3754 7 7 1044 49% 3758 89%
20 Attacker 18/20 3754 7 7 1044 49% 3758 88%
21 DON 19/20 3754 7 7 1044 49% 3758 88%
22 Echidna 2019 3753 7 7 1044 49% 3758 88%
23 Goi 18/22 3752 7 7 1044 49% 3758 89%
24 Luna 2020 3751 7 7 1044 49% 3759 87%
25 Everest 2020 3750 7 7 1044 49% 3759 89%
26 Cevdet 18/20 3750 7 7 1044 49% 3759 90%
27 ArmoR 18/20 3746 7 6 1044 48% 3759 86%
28 Cerebellum 18/19 3743 7 6 1044 48% 3759 87%
29 Vitamin 2020 3742 7 6 1044 47% 3759 86%
30 GoldenHorn 18/19 3737 6 6 1044 47% 3759 84%
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Breaking News (01.09.2024):
After the latest new entries, current 2nd Stage CS (2018 - 2022) is over too!
I'd like to express my greetings, longings and congrats to every book author!
Thanks for over long past years that showed interest, otherwise without you,
NON of these events would exist! Btw, 3rd Stage (2023-2024) is coming soon,
But before..I have to take rest...you may know, not so easy to create + test
So many books and all in short of time...Ok..that's all for now, see you later )
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Champion Biyuya - Congratulations to Angel Morano!
FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/XowQjLBQ#UyLob7l4x ... qB-3wvmJ9Q
Have fun,
Sedat
After the latest new entries, current 2nd Stage CS (2018 - 2022) is over too!
I'd like to express my greetings, longings and congrats to every book author!
Thanks for over long past years that showed interest, otherwise without you,
NON of these events would exist! Btw, 3rd Stage (2023-2024) is coming soon,
But before..I have to take rest...you may know, not so easy to create + test
So many books and all in short of time...Ok..that's all for now, see you later )
2nd Stage (2018 - 2022)'s Champion Biyuya - Congratulations to Angel Morano!
FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/XowQjLBQ#UyLob7l4x ... qB-3wvmJ9Q
Have fun,
Sedat
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UPDATE
Just another new testing, but simply as an unofficial test for comparing,
Where this time, I created a newer DON ver, which tuned to prefer only
NN games played by DON book series (during last months of 2022 year)
And as we see, there is serious influence with over than 54% win. perc.
Really impressive by DON NN...but I think it's normal, since almost all
DON NN 2022 book's opponents are based on weaker (NON-NN) games and
Now I hope you see my point: why my target was for all NON-NN games?!
And once more/for anyone missed (sure I mean about 1st and 2nd stages):
All my created and participated books are based on NON-NNUE games, exc.
T-800 20/21 (a Playchess book), which includes NN games too..in same time
That means T-800 is played via advantage...and I'm sorry for all this trouble,
But reason (including NN games) due to T-800 has no much games as NON-NN..
But all rest are based on NON-NN games.since almost all SCCT tours were
Played under Classic cond (as NON-NN in past) sure in Stage 2023-2024 CS:
All Champ ones are planning to be based/tuned to prefer only NN games..
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/r9ZiDQJY#W2Q0yqm1Q ... kZ2S5hUanU
Best,
Sedat
Just another new testing, but simply as an unofficial test for comparing,
Where this time, I created a newer DON ver, which tuned to prefer only
NN games played by DON book series (during last months of 2022 year)
And as we see, there is serious influence with over than 54% win. perc.
Really impressive by DON NN...but I think it's normal, since almost all
DON NN 2022 book's opponents are based on weaker (NON-NN) games and
Now I hope you see my point: why my target was for all NON-NN games?!
And once more/for anyone missed (sure I mean about 1st and 2nd stages):
All my created and participated books are based on NON-NNUE games, exc.
T-800 20/21 (a Playchess book), which includes NN games too..in same time
That means T-800 is played via advantage...and I'm sorry for all this trouble,
But reason (including NN games) due to T-800 has no much games as NON-NN..
But all rest are based on NON-NN games.since almost all SCCT tours were
Played under Classic cond (as NON-NN in past) sure in Stage 2023-2024 CS:
All Champ ones are planning to be based/tuned to prefer only NN games..
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
0 DON NN 2022 30 7 1224 54.3% 85.2%
1 1337chess 20/22 10 33 36 51.4% 91.7%
2 Vitamin 18/19 0 27 36 50.0% 94.4%
3 Judge Dredd 2020 0 27 36 50.0% 94.4%
4 Cerebellum 2020 0 38 36 50.0% 88.9%
5 Biyuya 2022 0 27 36 50.0% 94.4%
6 Vitamin 2020 -10 50 36 48.6% 80.6%
7 Noname 2020 -10 19 36 48.6% 97.2%
8 CF1977 2020 -10 42 36 48.6% 86.1%
9 TURKEY 20/21 -19 26 36 47.2% 94.4%
10 Murx 20/21 -19 46 36 47.2% 83.3%
11 MANTIS 21/22 -19 26 36 47.2% 94.4%
12 Katzenmaier 2021 -19 46 36 47.2% 83.3%
13 FireOnBoard 2022 -19 46 36 47.2% 83.3%
14 Cevdet 21/22 -19 26 36 47.2% 94.4%
15 Cevdet 18/20 -19 46 36 47.2% 83.3%
16 Zeus 2020 -29 42 36 45.8% 86.1%
17 Luna 2020 -29 50 36 45.8% 80.6%
18 CF1977 18/19 -29 42 36 45.8% 86.1%
19 Cerebellum 18/19 -29 32 36 45.8% 91.7%
20 2600-Club 20/21 -29 50 36 45.8% 80.6%
21 T-800 20/21 -39 53 36 44.4% 77.8%
22 Goi 18/22 -39 53 36 44.4% 77.8%
23 GM Champions -39 45 36 44.4% 83.3%
24 Everest 2020 -39 53 36 44.4% 77.8%
25 Attacker 18/20 -39 36 36 44.4% 88.9%
26 M11.4 2021 -49 40 36 43.1% 86.1%
27 Feta + LSA 21/22 -49 49 36 43.1% 80.6%
28 Echidna 2019 -49 49 36 43.1% 80.6%
29 DON 19/20 -49 40 36 43.1% 86.1%
30 Chucaro 21/22 -49 40 36 43.1% 86.1%
31 DON 21/22 -58 52 36 41.7% 77.8%
32 ArmoR 18/20 -58 52 36 41.7% 77.8%
33 GoldenHorn 18/19 -68 47 36 40.3% 80.6%
34 Alchemist 19/21 -99 63 36 36.1% 66.7%
1224 of 1224 games finished.
https://mega.nz/file/r9ZiDQJY#W2Q0yqm1Q ... kZ2S5hUanU
Best,
Sedat
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UPDATE 2
Well, let's take a look (just for comparing) regarding Elo differences,
E.g between original books vs my recent created derivatives ones..
1st of all, be aware that to expect identical performances is madness!
And due to not enough games: I merged many book vers. in one name..
(Sure here I am referring about my recent created Champ based books)
Moreover, all of them are not played under same test conditions...
As we know, any book performance depends on our used conditions,
But if nothing else..it seems that my based books are not too far
From the original ones, at least if comparing Elo differences, right ?
Besides, some my created based ones even may become stronger...
As main reason I do not allow/import the defeats (weakest) lines,
Sure here I refer about during each my derivatives book creations!
Number Ones CS 2018- 2022 (all are based/derivatives books):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2
BN X (all books are original, exc. GM Champions, it is based one):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -nnue-cs-x
Same PC Elo diff. (based books, played on 2x Epyc 7B12): 53 Elo
Online Elo diff. (original books, played on Playchess): 139 Elo
And both participants played by same CPU: i7-920 @4.00GHz
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-35
Some Remarks (according to my experience over long past years):
Why is there much Elo influence/differences? for some reasons:
1st of all, Rybka3.ctg requires much more games (for accurate Elo),
You may know, 482 games (per player) is good data, but not enough!
As other very important influence (sure here I mean during past..):
Rybka III ctg book was publicly available in those times that means
Its mostly strong opening lines were blocked or became drawish,
Or even some after period of time, they are started to loosing..
Actually this is nothing new..this happens with every public book..
Where Perfect 16 was not public available, plus played with often
Updates, adding newer/stronger moves..even in those old times:
I still remember that I made move optimizations in every hour etc.
Sure not always (24/7) of course... ) but quite frequent for sure...
And that's why and as usually I say over Elo points differences:
Online Play is totally different than on same PC matches, e.g
Some online games are lost on time..some online players are
Lost due to wrong engine or hardware configurations or some
Pardon, even I say quite frequent some lost due to hardware
Speed disadvantage...and mainly for these kind of reasons,
Each online played opening line/game is requited/needed to be
Checked manually and carefully..via analyzing to find stronger
Move...Btw, a small important note more:
This is completely wrong, if checking only at engine outputs!
If still not so clear, Which chess engine says the true to us?
There are many positions, come such as advantage/disadvantage..
Where later White or Blacks are winning/ loosing..that's why,
Sure for better performances: it is required many test-replay...e.g
The same won games..to see this opening is really strong/weak..
Otherwise (without serious tests..) many players may suffer...sure
Here I refer for openings, which are played on same CPU as well
One thing more, unfortunately there is also cheating via Online..
At least on Lichess data: a lot of 'fake' high Elo numbers recorded,
Which gained vs same/several or vs much weaker players.. hehe ))
What a hero are these kind of guys...LOL..In other words,
Come to 'real' Arena (SCCT) and let's see how 'good' you are !)
And just in case, do not blame as engine error/s etc.. because
The 'real' Champions never complain...at least mostly of them..
As reason, these Top book authors are too busy on improving,
Working for over newer stronger ideas that never played before!
And I hope also that
All my produced data, experience etc. will be helpful...
Best Wishes,
Sedat
Well, let's take a look (just for comparing) regarding Elo differences,
E.g between original books vs my recent created derivatives ones..
1st of all, be aware that to expect identical performances is madness!
And due to not enough games: I merged many book vers. in one name..
(Sure here I am referring about my recent created Champ based books)
Moreover, all of them are not played under same test conditions...
As we know, any book performance depends on our used conditions,
But if nothing else..it seems that my based books are not too far
From the original ones, at least if comparing Elo differences, right ?
Besides, some my created based ones even may become stronger...
As main reason I do not allow/import the defeats (weakest) lines,
Sure here I refer about during each my derivatives book creations!
Number Ones CS 2018- 2022 (all are based/derivatives books):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 35-stage-2
Code: Select all
Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
7 DON 21/22 3772 6 6 1188 51% 3764 91%
9 Zeus 2020 3770 6 6 1188 51% 3764 88%
18 MANTIS 21/22 3765 6 6 1188 50% 3765 88%
19 Cerebellum 2020 3764 6 6 1188 50% 3765 89%
32 Vitamin 2020 3750 6 6 1188 48% 3765 86%
34 GM Champions 3745 6 6 1188 47% 3765 86%
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -nnue-cs-x
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Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
26 DON-B 3749 3 3 2430 52% 3739 91%
44 Zeus 3746 5 6 1000 52% 3736 90%
48 MANTIS Upd 3746 5 5 1000 51% 3739 90%
69 Cerebellum 3M 3743 6 6 1000 51% 3739 92%
111 Vitamin 290320 3735 6 6 790 49% 3742 90%
142 GM Champions 3726 6 5 900 48% 3740 89%
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Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 Perfect 16 3790 10 11 650 56% 3749 72%
12 Rybka III 3737 11 11 650 48% 3753 82%
Note: For comparing is used close in date book players
And both participants played by same CPU: i7-920 @4.00GHz
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-35
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Rank Name Elo + – games score oppo. draws
1 SedatChess, Rybka 3 3368 11 11 2727 69% 3243 45%
198 Rybka3.ctg, Rybka 3 3229 24 24 482 51% 3220 55%
Why is there much Elo influence/differences? for some reasons:
1st of all, Rybka3.ctg requires much more games (for accurate Elo),
You may know, 482 games (per player) is good data, but not enough!
As other very important influence (sure here I mean during past..):
Rybka III ctg book was publicly available in those times that means
Its mostly strong opening lines were blocked or became drawish,
Or even some after period of time, they are started to loosing..
Actually this is nothing new..this happens with every public book..
Where Perfect 16 was not public available, plus played with often
Updates, adding newer/stronger moves..even in those old times:
I still remember that I made move optimizations in every hour etc.
Sure not always (24/7) of course... ) but quite frequent for sure...
And that's why and as usually I say over Elo points differences:
Online Play is totally different than on same PC matches, e.g
Some online games are lost on time..some online players are
Lost due to wrong engine or hardware configurations or some
Pardon, even I say quite frequent some lost due to hardware
Speed disadvantage...and mainly for these kind of reasons,
Each online played opening line/game is requited/needed to be
Checked manually and carefully..via analyzing to find stronger
Move...Btw, a small important note more:
This is completely wrong, if checking only at engine outputs!
If still not so clear, Which chess engine says the true to us?
There are many positions, come such as advantage/disadvantage..
Where later White or Blacks are winning/ loosing..that's why,
Sure for better performances: it is required many test-replay...e.g
The same won games..to see this opening is really strong/weak..
Otherwise (without serious tests..) many players may suffer...sure
Here I refer for openings, which are played on same CPU as well
One thing more, unfortunately there is also cheating via Online..
At least on Lichess data: a lot of 'fake' high Elo numbers recorded,
Which gained vs same/several or vs much weaker players.. hehe ))
What a hero are these kind of guys...LOL..In other words,
Come to 'real' Arena (SCCT) and let's see how 'good' you are !)
And just in case, do not blame as engine error/s etc.. because
The 'real' Champions never complain...at least mostly of them..
As reason, these Top book authors are too busy on improving,
Working for over newer stronger ideas that never played before!
And I hope also that
All my produced data, experience etc. will be helpful...
Best Wishes,
Sedat
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EDIT:
As Online reference/source (about Rybka III and Perfect 16) used:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... tober-2009
As Online reference/source (about Rybka III and Perfect 16) used:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... tober-2009
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Hello there,
Just I'd like to inform that I've realized to run another new CS,
Because, in recent both tours, mostly Champ books lines are
Not participated...so not organizing it..will be BIG miss, right?
Sure later... I hope to organize the planning 2023-2024 CS too
And here are the 1st played results of Number Ones CS -2022:
3rd Stage (2022)'s Current Leader: DON - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!
597 of 2750 games finished.
Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 1m+1s, 128 MB Hash, 4-MEN
All Number Ones are used to play via 9-times Champion: Cfish 030820 C40
More Details:
This time all books are based on only 2022 NNUE games, exc. DON Class, e.g
It is tuned to prefer DON's Champion series, which are played as NON-NNUE
Be aware of that too please, each book player will consist min. 500 games
That's all for now and wishing good luck to all
Greetings
Just I'd like to inform that I've realized to run another new CS,
Because, in recent both tours, mostly Champ books lines are
Not participated...so not organizing it..will be BIG miss, right?
Sure later... I hope to organize the planning 2023-2024 CS too
And here are the 1st played results of Number Ones CS -2022:
3rd Stage (2022)'s Current Leader: DON - Congrats to Vasid Chouhan!
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 DON Class 26 28 108 53.7% 81.5%
2 Ganryu 13 28 109 51.8% 81.7%
3 DON NN 10 29 107 51.4% 80.4%
4 1337chess 6 28 108 50.9% 81.5%
5 Cimarron 6 30 110 50.9% 78.2%
6 Cubail 3 26 106 50.5% 84.0%
7 Guzel Kiz 3 32 107 50.5% 76.6%
8 GalactusTurbo 0 27 108 50.0% 83.3%
9 Varied -6 23 109 49.1% 87.2%
10 DarkGalactus -26 25 108 46.3% 85.2%
11 Chucaro -34 21 114 45.2% 88.6%
Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 1m+1s, 128 MB Hash, 4-MEN
All Number Ones are used to play via 9-times Champion: Cfish 030820 C40
More Details:
This time all books are based on only 2022 NNUE games, exc. DON Class, e.g
It is tuned to prefer DON's Champion series, which are played as NON-NNUE
Be aware of that too please, each book player will consist min. 500 games
That's all for now and wishing good luck to all
Greetings