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Posted: **Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:20 pm**

Sedat Canbaz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:44 am

UPDATE

Well, today let me start with this great saying please:
Don't just be part of the herd

By the way, without to not mention this I can not as well, e.g:
If we were to say that a large social group consists of people,
Who don't have their own thoughts, who constantly need guidance,
Who try to adopt what is accepted..instead of better original ideas,
And I think here only a few people would object all over...right ?)

On other hand, other good notes, which perfectly suits:
In 2008, Prof. Jens Krause of the University of Leeds,
Conducted an experiment into human herd mentality and
How people, quite literally, follow the crowd..source:
https://www.progressbb.co.uk/dont-just- ... f-the-herd

Groups of people were asked to walk randomly around a hall.
They were not allowed to communicate with one another but
Had to stay within arm’s length of another person at all times.
Among the groups, a few individuals were given more specific
Instructions on where to walk. The researchers found that,
Very quickly, people started to follow the select few who
Appeared to know where they were going.
The researchers found that it only took 5% of confident
Looking people to influence the direction of the other 95%.

In other words, it's all right that when to be in nature,
Most of animals show a herd mentality for safety reasons!

But what about Humans, Chess? NNUE testings etc.
How many of us are trying something new, better?
If it's 'green' net: 27944 downloads.. hehe ))
If not..for example: nn-86aaa607b31b, just: 497

Again I ask to all people here, what does it mean?
Actually go this way...if not 'SC' would not win !
Go + test the engines only with weak lines too..!!
Then just don't come and say again latest SF dev.
Is best..cause not 'true'.. at least in SCCT..!!
Even if future tours.. SF will be Champ..will be great..
But still will be not enough..cause what about draws?
What about rest SF's options: CTG, BIN, EXP etc. ?
For these reasons. we've have think more 'deeply'
When we are going to talk..or testing any file etc.!

And final words (once more, for anyone missed):
One day, the Dog says to a Wolf:
If you were loved, they'd take you into their homes and love you.
The Wolf replies:
If we were curious about every lap, we'd be on streets like you,
Moreover, you can't find us but we can find you in every street.

Ok friends..thanks for reading.. and please stay tuned,
Very soon new / more strength NN results are coming!

Best,
Sedat

very interesting tests you do dear friend. Onces am done testing marauders 4.0 ill put your net to the test with B12tz and see which is more compatible with marauders changes

Posted: **Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:59 pm**

Orgz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:20 pm
very interesting tests you do dear friend. Onces am done testing marauders 4.0 ill put your net to the test with B12tz and see which is more compatible with marauders changes

Thank you dear Tanick )

Yes..I am curious in next vers of Marauders...

Posted: **Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:04 pm**

Hello Friends,

Well, after so many attempts..even I will have difficulties to count..
But believe Me..I played many 3800 Elo testings...and as conclusion:
I could not find a Top engine 3800+ where to produce low draw-ratio..
The goal was minus plus 90-92 % but .. no such numbers are recorded
Sure I refer in case testing the current mentioned Top opening books...

But anyhow, I have good news,
I realized to try with other Top 3750 Elo engine: Raubfish GTZ SC

And why Raubfish GTZ SC?
Because is still super strong, capable to use BIN books!
Another as one of most important parts: one of least Drawish NN engines!
Sure this is not all, stable as stone..besides Raubfish's produced points
Are closest to overall ranks of latest recent organized Book NN CS XXXVI
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-36
What we can need more ? almost perfect, right?..exc.Raubfish is not capable
To use CTG books...but SF-SCCT (by Tanick Ramz) can be as solution here...

A new Unofficial Ranking by Raubfisch GTZ SC:

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1   Chucaro 130424  100.0 - 100.098.0 - 102.0107.0 - 93.0115.5 - 84.5**     420.5/800
2   SENTINEL 2407   100.0 - 100.0102.5 - 97.5105.5 - 94.5104.0 - 96.0 **    412.0/800
3   Broth 36        102.0 - 98.097.5 - 102.598.5 - 101.5106.5 - 93.5  **   404.5/800
4   SENTINEL 2409   93.0 - 107.094.5 - 105.5101.5 - 98.5109.0 - 91.0   **  398.0/800
5   Geralt          84.5 - 115.596.0 - 104.093.5 - 106.591.0 - 109.0    ** 365.0/800

Note: Draw-Ratio: 86%

Meanwhile here is latest Raubfish Strength Test:
As we see about 5+ Elo in favor for GTZ version !

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1   Raubfisch GTZ SC  +158/-132/=1394 50.77%  855.0/1684
2   Raubfish  Std SC  +132/-158/=1394 49.23%  829.0/1684

Draw-Ratio, just: 83% and this is not as joke !!

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess1.2.0, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 30s+0.5s, Balsa/Unique, 64 Hash, 5-MEN

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/D1hxVDYJ#qh5nzwJvU ... 8qBSUjSZng

In other words,
Very likely next tour, will be played as main engine: Raubfisch GTZ SC

Greetings

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:31 am**

Dear Chess Friends,

As usual, I am very pleased to announce that
New book CS is coming very soon, tour start:
It's expecting in next days..but I hope to work
Over it for many days, so in case of interest to
Submit a opening book, you can Contact Me
And in case ... please just don't be too late,
So from today, you can submit new book/s..

What's New:
Almost all BIN Book Entrants will be played by
Raubfish GTZ27c3 SC AVX2, for more: Details
CTG books will be played by SF-SCCT engine

Tournament Rules:
All opening books are allowed: Private plus Public!
Several books (BIN+CTG) by same author allowed,
Note also each other have to be different in styles..!
Be aware for CTG is suggested green lines tuning!
If not..then many CTG's lines will be played randomly..
Up to 250 MB for BIN / 500 MB for CTG (compressed)
As Bonus (for frequent) I can accept even larger sizes
Btw, against cheating: from unknown authors recent
Games required, played on Lichess, Playchess etc.
A rule can be called VISA, thanks for understanding!

That's all for now exc. be ready for the real ARENA!
And via this tour..let's see who will say the 'last' word..
Sure just in case, if your book will be ranked at last...
Not so important as well, the most important is FUN!

And as a final note.
I hope to see many registrations, thanks in advance )

For Official Tournament Page:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-37

Best Wishes,
Sedat Canbaz

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:22 pm**

UPDATE

1st. Test: Raubfisch GTZ - Itself Matches:

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1   Raubfisch (Copy)  +87/-86/=839 50.05%  506.5/1012
2   Raubfisch GTZ SC  +86/-87/=839 49.95%  505.5/1012

Note: Two copy of GTZ eng vers. are used...where the
Draw-Ratio is again 83%, not so high numbers for sure!

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2nd.Test (in case of CTG book entries):
SF-SCCT 250122 vs Raubfisch GTZ SC: identical in strength !!
Sure I've expected to appear close points, but not so much )
And frankly I can not remember to appear identical points..
Even if running as same Eng copies !!

In other words,
That shows not only engines strength, plus hardware stability,
And this is not all, the played/used openings etc. as well !!

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1   Raubfisch GTZ SC    +145/-145/=1710 50.00%  1000.0/2000 
2   SF-SCCT 250122 def  +145/-145/=1710 50.00%  1000.0/2000

Draw-Ratio is 86% slightly higher.. but not too bad!

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/69gSUSoY#5_1mUDBbY ... iKcr01-s6c

Conditions used: sure adapted to planning New CS XXXVII...
As main difference, Balsa + Unique openings are played...

Greetings )

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:28 pm**

UPDATE 2

Finely the Tour is started.. and here are 1st played results,
Where for right now DONFree leads...

Btw, If newer entries,
Sure later these books will be played In Gauntlet mode...
And in the next days many more entries are expecting too

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 DONfree 090724                 44      30      72   56.3%   84.7% 
   2 Unicornio Upd2                 38      28      74   55.4%   86.5% 
   3 AdrianOliva v3                 24      25      72   53.5%   90.3% 
   4 Tunafish 3.2                   24      31      73   53.4%   84.9% 
   5 SOLIDOR Dual                   24      28      73   53.4%   87.7% 
   6 Chucaro 130424                 19      26      72   52.8%   88.9% 
   7 Esculapio                      19      29      73   52.7%   86.3% 
   8 MegaTron RevA                  15      25      71   52.1%   90.1% 
   9 Vorden B1                      14      16      72   52.1%   95.8% 
  10 HCAN 160524                    14      28      72   52.1%   87.5% 
  11 Skynet 180724                  14      27      74   52.0%   87.8% 
  12 Rasp 070924                    10      30      72   51.4%   86.1% 
  13 DeadLy CRiMe                    5      21      71   50.7%   93.0% 
  14 UpAndDown                       5      21      72   50.7%   93.1% 
  15 Dara 141024                     5      24      74   50.7%   90.5% 
  16 The Big Castle                  0      38      71   50.0%   77.5% 
  17 Knuckle Shuffle v1              0      34      69   50.0%   82.6% 
  18 OlisFish 141024                -5      16      74   49.3%   95.9% 
  19 Castigo 050224                 -5      21      73   49.3%   93.2% 
  20 SappHire 260924                -5      41      72   49.3%   73.6% 
  21 Cevdet 131024                  -5      34      72   49.3%   81.9% 
  22 HCanFree v2                    -5      21      71   49.3%   93.0% 
  23 Rodent Z                      -10      43      71   48.6%   71.8% 
  24 Rebel 020624                  -10      30      71   48.6%   85.9% 
  25 Geralt 051024                 -10      24      70   48.6%   91.4% 
  26 OPTIMUS 2409                  -14      25      73   47.9%   90.4% 
  27 OrionPax 2407                 -19      30      72   47.2%   86.1% 
  28 LesChats 240824               -25      25      71   46.5%   90.1% 
  29 Broth 131024                  -29      33      71   45.8%   83.1% 
  30 SENTINEL 2409                 -34      39      71   45.1%   76.1% 
  31 MiniFish                      -44      30      72   43.8%   84.7% 
  32 Yoruba 081024                 -59      40      71   41.5%   74.6% 

1151 of 9920 games finished.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL )

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:22 am**

Breaking News (15.10.2024):
XXXVII CS already started... and here are the latest results (after 9920 games)
Via this update many trend books entered where mostly of them are quite new..
E.g all of them created in 2024 that means they represent latest strong theory!
What I can add more: 620 games is good data but not enough so let's see what
Will be next ranks, but there is one true, Messi is Messi!! as we see again many
His books are on Top..sure Tunafish, Skynet..are ones which are dangerous too!!
Be aware that too please, in the next days..newer DON book vers may entered..
You may know, Mr. Vasid Chouhan is another Top book master, who never play
For 2nd place..In other words, a lot of fun is waiting us..Ok friends, now I'm busy..
So more info in next updates..good luck to all authors..and let's best book wins!
Btw, for moment. CTG are NOT accepted as reason even the defeats are played

Current Book Leader: AdrianOliva v3 - My Congratulations to Angel Morano!

For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-37

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:43 am**

UPDATE

Another idea is born, e.g
There will be Eng NN Entrants as without books!

In short,
I hope to include also those engines which are close: 3750 Elo,
But they will be played as without using any opening book and
In this way, XXXVII CS will contain more unique playing styles!
And in same time, we'll have chance, which NN file is stronger,
Sure I refer as without books! you know, influences may appear..

And here are the mentioned NN engines as without using any book:
Btw, Obsidian 13.25 will be out as reason, stronger than 3750 Elo!
Sure not only via current small tour..plus based on other tests etc.
But the good news is that, the rest Top 4 (four) players will be in...
Not sure to include Komodo Dragon 3.3 or not.. because at Bullet
Komodo Dragon is weaker (than Raubfish) minus plus 5-10 Elo

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Obsidian 13.25                 26      24      80   53.8%   90.0% 
   2 Neon Tetra                      0      24      80   50.0%   90.0% 
   3 ShashChess 21.1                -4      26      80   49.4%   88.8% 
   4 SF-SCCT 250122                 -9      24      80   48.8%   90.0% 
   5 Berserk 13                    -13      31      80   48.1%   83.8% 

200 of 200 games finished.

Be aware too,
Soon as possible, a BIG update is coming and any player will include
1000+ games that means also there will be Champion titles as well!

Greetings

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:58 am**

Breaking News (16.10.2024):
Ladies and Gentlemen, it's my pleasure to announce the 1st XXXVII's Champions:
DON and Tunafish...2nd rank belongs to MegaTron RevA (by Tanick Ramz again)
And for right now, Hazel (as Tunafish) is 3rd rank.. so good achievement as well
Hey dear Vasid, OrgZ, Nate: this is too much! And is this all as luck or surprise ?
Not of course !! They gave their signals from previous days... such as I'll destroy
Everything on field...and frankly I'm happy...besides Tunafish is public, moreover
It's free! In other words, that means a lot..about DON author (for anyone missed):
I call him as Father and after checking all his great records (from past to present)
Mr. Vasid fully deserves its name! sure my respect to all rest book authors as well
No doubt they're very talented too! You know no one can be always Number One!
It's simply impossible..actually possible, but required non-stop efforts, is it worth?
Not of course..because our 'Chess' should not be all in our life! as other important
Influence is Health, yes, during testings, tuning, working..over books, our health is
in Danger.that's why please..take care and pay more attention all over! Meanwhile,
The tour is still not ended..in next days, more entries are expecting to be entered..

Private Book Champion: DON 151024 - My Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
Where Public Book Champion: Tunafish 3.2 - Congratulations to Tanick Ramz!

FOR LATEST STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-37

GREETINGS

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:54 am**

Breaking News (17.10.2024):
Well, via this update 8 books entered..where some of them performed very good!
E.g AbbyStein (by Tanick Ramz), Rubix (by Ian Hurnavich) actually even Pyramid
(by Angel Morano) as old dated is ranked not bad, and I admit too No Book NN is
Performed much better than many and why? In my opinion, their Evalfiles seems
So strong (sure here I refer even as without books) that rarely makes mistakes...!
Once more (for anyone missed), this is the same version, which is played in Giant
E.g tuned to prefer No Books openings (minimum 3700+ Elo.) On other hand, as
We see Messi's other powerful weapon (Esculapio) again on scene in short, great!
What does it mean? Simply means he fully deserves Messi name too..!! Not once,
Not twice. many many times...Btw, after checking closely... Esculapio has 1 point
Better (than Tunafish 3.2) that's why Esculapio is titled as latest Public Champion..
Meanwhile, current competition paused..but it's planing to be resumed after week..
Sure after resuming ..new/updated books will be acceptable..so please stay tuned!
And then let's see which books will be the next Champs..see you later my friends)

Private Book Champion: DON 151024 - My Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
Where Public Book Champion: Esculapio - Congratulations to Angel Morano!

FOR LATEST STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-37

GREETINGS )

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