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CERL Games

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The Chess Engine Rating List is located at: https://chessnerd.net/cerl.txt and is really just an excuse to use all the engines in my UCI folder. In turn, running them at hyper-fast speeds serves to cut down on draws, and gives enough results that it's possible to do the list at all, even with just two computers. Having this many games per tournament is meant to reduce the error rate.

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Rank Name                                  TC     Elo     +/-   Games    Wins  Losses   Draws   Points   Score    Draw
   1 Berserk 11.1                       1+0.1     238       5   12000    7536     408    4056   9564.0   79.7%   33.8%
   2 Clover 4.1                         1+0.1      60       5   12000    4336    2276    5388   7030.0   58.6%   44.9%
   3 Caissa 1.8                         1+0.1     -85       5   12000    1993    4886    5121   4553.5   37.9%   42.7%
   4 Velvet 5.2.0                       1+0.1    -202       5   12000     974    7269    3757   2852.5   23.8%   31.3%

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Re: CERL Games

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Love it .. thank you .. :text-thankyoublue:
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Re: CERL Games

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I am taking this direction too, with this latest tournament especially. The question is: aren't the engines prone to make mistakes with such a short time? I've never used those chess programs, but Stockfish makes jumps from 0.00 to kinda -1.26 sometimes with that short time, single-cored especially.
FritzUser wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 10:17 pm The Chess Engine Rating List is located at: https://chessnerd.net/cerl.txt and is really just an excuse to use all the engines in my UCI folder. In turn, running them at hyper-fast speeds serves to cut down on draws, and gives enough results that it's possible to do the list at all, even with just two computers. Having this many games per tournament is meant to reduce the error rate.

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Rank Name                                  TC     Elo     +/-   Games    Wins  Losses   Draws   Points   Score    Draw
   1 Berserk 11.1                       1+0.1     238       5   12000    7536     408    4056   9564.0   79.7%   33.8%
   2 Clover 4.1                         1+0.1      60       5   12000    4336    2276    5388   7030.0   58.6%   44.9%
   3 Caissa 1.8                         1+0.1     -85       5   12000    1993    4886    5121   4553.5   37.9%   42.7%
   4 Velvet 5.2.0                       1+0.1    -202       5   12000     974    7269    3757   2852.5   23.8%   31.3%

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Re: CERL Games

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massimilianogoi wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 8:29 am I am taking this direction too, with this latest tournament especially. The question is: aren't the engines prone to make mistakes with such a short time? I've never used those chess programs, but Stockfish makes jumps from 0.00 to kinda -1.26 sometimes with that short time, single-cored especially.
Yes. To be honest, this is the weak link in the chain. My hope is that it lowers the playing field in a consistent way, but that might be wishful thinking. I think to do it right, with proper time controls, it would take hundreds of people.
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I'm not understanding... Are you telling that you wish the engines turn weaker?
FritzUser wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 2:34 pm ...My hope is that it lowers the playing field in a consistent way, but that might be wishful thinking. I think to do it right, with proper time controls, it would take hundreds of people.
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I think that there is an ideal TC (perhaps one hour per game) that allows the engines to think as much as they need to, and nobody can really test at that speed, because it's too slow. So everything is a compromise, in my opinion. You would need hundreds of people to contribute test results if you wanted a rating list based on hour-long games.

What I was meant was, I accept that testing at 1s+0.1s is going to introduce mistakes, but it still works as long as the drop in performance is the same for every engine. So my hope is that if the playing field has to be made lesser, it can at least be so consistently.
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Rank Name                                  TC     Elo     +/-   Games    Wins  Losses   Draws   Points   Score    Draw 
   1 Igel 3.4.0                         1+0.1     216       7    8000    5042     628    2330   6207.0   77.6%   29.1%  
   2 Igel 3.3.0                         1+0.1     165       7    8000    4468     926    2606   5771.0   72.1%   32.6% 
   3 Igel 3.2.0                         1+0.1     106       6    8000    3833    1467    2700   5183.0   64.8%   33.8% 
   4 Igel 3.1.0                         1+0.1      67       6    8000    3419    1906    2675   4756.5   59.5%   33.4% 
   5 Igel 3.0.5                         1+0.1      65       6    8000    3384    1901    2715   4741.5   59.3%   33.9% 
   6 Igel 3.0.0                         1+0.1      39       6    8000    3165    2268    2567   4448.5   55.6%   32.1% 
   7 Seer 2.1.0                         1+0.1     -58       7    8000    2605    3927    1468   3339.0   41.7%   18.4% 
   8 Rybka 4.1                          1+0.1    -266       9    8000    1157    6309     534   1424.0   17.8%    6.7% 
   9 Renegade 0.10.0                    1+0.1    -713      25    8000      53    7794     153    129.5    1.6%    1.9% 

36000 of 36000 games finished.
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Re: CERL Games

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Rank Name                                  TC     Elo     +/-   Games    Wins  Losses   Draws   Points   Score    Draw    Time Illegal  Discon   Stall WrClaim 
   1 SugaR AI SE                        1+0.1     278      15    1900    1330      68     502   1581.0   83.2%   26.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
   2 Stockfish 15.1                     1+0.1     275      16    1900    1340      87     473   1576.5   83.0%   24.9%       0       0       0       0       0 
   3 BrainLearn 25                      1+0.1     273      15    1900    1320      75     505   1572.5   82.8%   26.6%       0       0       0       0       0 
   4 ShashChess 33                      1+0.1     271      15    1900    1325      85     490   1570.0   82.6%   25.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
   5 Dragon 3.2                         1+0.1     227      15    1900    1243     153     504   1495.0   78.7%   26.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
   6 Berserk 11.1                       1+0.1     194      15    1900    1191     228     481   1431.5   75.3%   25.3%       0       0       0       0       0 
   7 Clover 5.0                         1+0.1     146      14    1900    1086     331     483   1327.5   69.9%   25.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
   8 Seer 2.6                           1+0.1     106      14    1900     999     437     464   1231.0   64.8%   24.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
   9 Caissa 1.9                         1+0.1      66      14    1900     909     551     440   1129.0   59.4%   23.2%       0       0       0       0       0 
  10 Viridithas 10.0.0                  1+0.1      59      14    1900     909     592     399   1108.5   58.3%   21.0%       0       0       0       0       0 
  11 Velvet 5.2.1                       1+0.1      13      14    1900     812     739     349    986.5   51.9%   18.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
  12 Komodo 14.1                        1+0.1       4      14    1900     799     779     322    960.0   50.5%   16.9%       0       0       0       0       0 
  13 Svart 5                            1+0.1     -88      15    1900     606    1075     219    715.5   37.7%   11.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
  14 Monolith 2.01                      1+0.1    -170      17    1900     439    1300     161    519.5   27.3%    8.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
  15 Marvin 5.1.0                       1+0.1    -182      17    1900     403    1318     179    492.5   25.9%    9.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
  16 4ku 3.1                            1+0.1    -242      18    1900     301    1445     154    378.0   19.9%    8.1%       0       0       0       0       0 
  17 Willow 2.9                         1+0.1    -252      19    1900     282    1461     157    360.5   19.0%    8.3%       0       0       0       0       0 
  18 Polaris 1.6.1                      1+0.1    -261      19    1900     271    1479     150    346.0   18.2%    7.9%       0       0       0       0       0 
  19 Renegade 0.11.0                    1+0.1    -385      24    1900     137    1663     100    187.0    9.8%    5.3%       0       0       0       0       0 
  20 Abbess2022B                        1+0.1    -706      55    1900      18    1854      28     32.0    1.7%    1.5%       0       0       0       0       0 

19000 of 19000 games finished.
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Re: CERL Games

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Here is the latest tournament. The results table is pretty big for the code block, but it was a nice bunch of numbers. The only two problems were that Avalanche played an illegal move in one game, and Altair timed out eleven times. I'm not sure how long it took, but as you can see, with 1s+0.1s it's possible to run a big tournament with a proper number of games (to reduce the margin of error) and not have to wait a week.I wish I could take all the CERL games from back when I was also using this TC and plug them into the list, but when I tried that, Berserk 11, I think, ended up at the top with something like 3900. :-)

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Rank Name                                  TC     Elo     +/-   Games    Wins  Losses   Draws   Points   Score    Draw    Time Illegal  Discon   Stall WrClaim 
   1 Stockfish 15                       1+0.1     296      14    2400    1752      91     557   2030.5   84.6%   23.2%       0       0       0       0       0 
   2 BrainLearn 25                      1+0.1     296      14    2400    1743      82     575   2030.5   84.6%   24.0%       0       0       0       0       0 
   3 BrainLearn 24                      1+0.1     293      14    2400    1734      83     583   2025.5   84.4%   24.3%       0       0       0       0       0 
   4 ShashChess 32                      1+0.1     279      14    2400    1713     116     571   1998.5   83.3%   23.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
   5 Dragon 3.1                         1+0.1     234      13    2400    1601     190     609   1905.5   79.4%   25.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
   6 Berserk 11                         1+0.1     221      13    2400    1572     222     606   1875.0   78.1%   25.3%       0       0       0       0       0 
   7 Koivisto 9.0                       1+0.1     185      13    2400    1488     321     591   1783.5   74.3%   24.6%       0       0       0       0       0 
   8 Clover 5.0                         1+0.1     158      13    2400    1400     378     622   1711.0   71.3%   25.9%       0       0       0       0       0 
   9 Seer 2.6                           1+0.1     129      12    2400    1293     440     667   1626.5   67.8%   27.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
  10 Caissa 1.9                         1+0.1      81      12    2400    1209     658     533   1475.5   61.5%   22.2%       0       0       0       0       0 
  11 Caissa 1.8                         1+0.1      65      12    2400    1133     688     579   1422.5   59.3%   24.1%       0       0       0       0       0 
  12 Fire 9                             1+0.1      46      12    2400    1105     791     504   1357.0   56.5%   21.0%       0       0       0       0       0 
  13 Viridithas 9.1.0                   1+0.1      40      12    2400    1067     795     538   1336.0   55.7%   22.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
  14 Velvet 5.2.1                       1+0.1      21      13    2400    1059     915     426   1272.0   53.0%   17.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
  15 Komodo 13                          1+0.1       1      13    2400    1010    1005     385   1202.5   50.1%   16.0%       0       0       0       0       0 
  16 Svart 5                            1+0.1     -89      13    2400     748    1351     301    898.5   37.4%   12.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
  17 Drofa 4.0.0                        1+0.1    -130      14    2400     634    1493     273    770.5   32.1%   11.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
  18 Avalanche 1.4.0                    1+0.1    -180      15    2400     493    1638     269    627.5   26.1%   11.2%       0       1       0       0       0 
  19 Monolith 2.01                      1+0.1    -184      15    2400     501    1665     234    618.0   25.8%    9.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
  20 Altair 3.0.0                       1+0.1    -255      16    2400     342    1843     215    449.5   18.7%    9.0%      11       0       0       0       0 
  21 Willow 2.9                         1+0.1    -273      17    2400     311    1885     204    413.0   17.2%    8.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
  22 4ku 3.1                            1+0.1    -283      17    2400     287    1901     212    393.0   16.4%    8.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
  23 Inanis 1.2.0                       1+0.1    -301      18    2400     260    1939     201    360.5   15.0%    8.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
  24 4ku 2.0                            1+0.1    -377      21    2400     168    2075     157    246.5   10.3%    6.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
  25 Akimbo 0.3.0                       1+0.1    -446      24    2400     110    2168     122    171.0    7.1%    5.1%       0       0       0       0       0 

30000 of 30000 games finished.
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Installed RAM: 12.0 GB

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Draw adjudication after move 80: 30 moves within 1 cp
No resign adjudication
Named Openings Suite to whichever ply it needs

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Re: CERL Games

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Here's the latest tournament, though it may not be of any value. I wanted to create a small database for the Bongcloud opening, so I did. Not sure how many doubles are in here. I probably won't use it for the CERL, because some of these engines inexplicably play this opening rather well.

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Rank Name                                  TC     Elo     +/-   Games    Wins  Losses   Draws   Points   Score    Draw    Time Illegal  Discon   Stall WrClaim 
   1 Berserk 10                         1+0.1     220      20    1400     998     213     189   1092.5   78.0%   13.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
   2 BrainLearn 24                      1+0.1     214      19    1400     971     204     225   1083.5   77.4%   16.1%       0       0       0       0       0 
   3 Koivisto 9.0                       1+0.1     212      19    1400     980     217     203   1081.5   77.3%   14.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
   4 Stockfish 14                       1+0.1     163      18    1400     905     292     203   1006.5   71.9%   14.5%       0       0       0       0       0 
   5 Seer 2.6                           1+0.1     147      18    1400     878     320     202    979.0   69.9%   14.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
   6 Caissa 1.8                         1+0.1      45      16    1400     654     472     274    791.0   56.5%   19.6%       0       0       0       0       0 
   7 Viridithas 9.1.0                   1+0.1      16      16    1400     604     538     258    733.0   52.4%   18.4%       0       0       0       0       0 
   8 Clover 3.3.1                       1+0.1      15      17    1400     618     556     226    731.0   52.2%   16.1%       0       0       0       0       0 
   9 Velvet 5.2.1                       1+0.1       8      17    1400     605     574     221    715.5   51.1%   15.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
  10 Fire 9                             1+0.1       2      16    1400     578     570     252    704.0   50.3%   18.0%       0       0       0       0       0 
  11 Komodo 13                          1+0.1     -15      17    1400     599     658     143    670.5   47.9%   10.2%       0       0       0       0       0 
  12 Svart 5                            1+0.1    -131      18    1400     351     856     193    447.5   32.0%   13.8%       0       0       0       0       0 
  13 Monolith 2.01                      1+0.1    -251      22    1400     207    1073     120    267.0   19.1%    8.6%       0       0       0       0       0 
  14 4ku 3.1                            1+0.1    -384      28    1400      97    1220      83    138.5    9.9%    5.9%       0       0       0       0       0 
  15 Akimbo 0.3.0                       1+0.1    -543      43    1400      43    1325      32     59.0    4.2%    2.3%       0       0       0       0       0 

10500 of 10500 games finished.
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400 CPU @ 2.90GHz
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Logical processors: 12
Installed RAM: 12.0 GB

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Hash: 16 MB
Threads: 1
Concurrent: 3
Ponder off
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Draw adjudication after move 80: 30 moves within 1 cp
No resign adjudication

All 10,500 games:
https://chessnerd.net/tour/bongcloud.pgn
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